Meet ~beyond bluestockings~

June 17, 2010

Hello blogging world!

What’s changed since I first leaked my thoughts on pages here at WordPress?  Well, I’ve settled three of the four of the questions I was asking two years ago. (I’m still asking what I should cook for dinner.) I’m still homeschooling my four children, still love my husband, clean my house less (it’s called delegating, or child training, or whatever you’re comfortable with..), still reading children’s books and still experimenting with my camera.  I’ve upgraded the Mac. (Have you seen the MacBook Pro? Delicious!)

I post less about my faith: not because I feel less passionately about it, but because I realize how much I have to learn.  Every so often I have a little fit about what is happening in the political realm.

And… you’re still welcome to join the conversation.  Jump in!

Thanks for coming to visit my little corner of the world 🙂





November 8, 2007

Calvinist or Arminian? …..

Sprinkling infant baptism or believer’s full immersion? …….

Is Charlotte Mason’s philosophy on education better than the Classical method? ……..

What ever shall I cook for dinner?!

These are some of the questions that occupy my mind. In my spare time, I homeschool my four children, love my husband, occasionally clean my house, read lots, take photos,  and try to gain a technical knowledge worthy of my I’m-so-in-love-with-it Macintosh G4 power book.

I am a bible believing, old paths, literal six-day creationist Christian, with conservative political leanings, a desire to see families strengthened, a thirst for truth, a mild redneck flavour to my view of life, and an inclination to share.

Thanks for visiting.


70 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. dandelionmom
    Jan 14, 2008 @ 21:53:15

    SO! Calvin or Arminius?? I can’t wait to see! How very refreshing to see that someone CAN indeed wrestle with weighty matters AND care for a family. Finding a blog that discusses both spiritual and domestic things is rare and wonderful!


  2. beyond bluestockings
    Jan 14, 2008 @ 22:10:03

    LOL! Dandelionmom, if I can definitively answer this side of eternity, I will certainly post it! After a four year examination, so far I am leaning most heavily toward Calvinism, while aware that among greater minds than mine, the jury is still out.

    As for theology mixed with domesticity….my husband laughs and shakes his head that my thoughts can shift from ranting about the sale of indulgences to what to serve with coffee. Perhaps you have to be a girl to appreciate the mix!

    Thanks for stopping by.


  3. dandelionmom
    Jan 15, 2008 @ 02:09:20

    I am going to like it here! I happen to be a TULIP gal myself (well..except for the L)–My current rant is the emergent church which I still say MUST have started as a joke-a really bad one.
    The indulgences thing is really sick too. “The Lord has really blessed me so I can afford to buy my way out of any sin I want”—NOOOT!!!
    Oh!–and I’ll have a cookie suitable for dunking with my coffee (extra points if it’s chocolate!)
    I’d love to hear why “beyond bluestockings”!!


  4. beyond bluestockings
    Jan 15, 2008 @ 07:18:27

    Ah, I have been very tempted to post on the emergent church. The reason I restrain myself is that I haven’t yet reached a point where I can be gracious about it. Not even nearly.

    The original bluestockings were a group of women who met for discussions on literature, a very progressive group of women. While I love all things literary, and am grateful for some of the freedoms won by our sisters of the past, we need to move beyond our present state of trying to attain the rights and responsibilities of men, and remember our commission to teach the younger women, to love our husbands and children.

    I don’t want to go back to any point in the past, but my desire is to see us make the most of the freedom we have, while choosing to submit to the authority of our husbands, placing the management of our homes as a priority over work or entertainment, or supposed “ministry”.

    Beyond bluestockings came about because I wanted to share any helpful little things I have learned about being a wife and mother, Titus style:

    Titus 2:4

    The aged women likewise…….. may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children…

    Being easily distracted, or very verbose, (or both!) I have strayed from my original intent for this site, hence the, ah, “extras”!


  5. dandelionmom
    Jan 15, 2008 @ 09:52:47

    THAT was an awesome post–don’t leave it hiding in the comments!! and thanks!


  6. motherathome
    Feb 07, 2008 @ 05:01:55

    I would hope that you would read the following article concerning Charlotte Mason.

    by Aimee Natal

    What Charlotte Mason is teaching is pelagianism and because you are aware of arminianism you must see that by using CM you will teach your children the opposite your own beliefs. I hope that you would take this short email as trying to sincerely share the truth…. I have my own blog with similar interests as you (10 shekels is how I found your blog) and similar concerns.

    You can check out my blog if you want specifics about Charlotte Mason.


  7. beyond bluestockings
    Feb 07, 2008 @ 10:33:46

    Dear motherathome,

    Thank you for raising my awareness of the underlying beliefs governing Charlotte Mason’s philosophy of education – it was a very enlightening, and alarming, read!

    Thanks again for bringing it to my attention: I certainly recommend it to be read by all considering following her teaching methods.


    • Heidi
      Sep 01, 2010 @ 13:20:44

      Hi there,
      I know this is an old post, but I have only recently read a very small section of CM’s work, and honestly, it just didn’t “feel” right to me, but because I hadn’t read her work extensively, I felt perhaps it was just me. It has been touted by many as just the bee’s knees. I personally decided not to read any more of her literature based on that instinct and am now pleased that I didn’t.
      Thanks for discussing this so forthrightly.

      Bye for now,


      • Beyond Bluestockings
        Sep 01, 2010 @ 15:51:34

        Hello dear Heidi,

        CM had some good ideas, and as long as you are able to take those ideas and make use of them within the context of your beliefs about God, education, and parenting – then it’s all good. The problem is that most people have a fear of deviating from the ideals that she puts across so firmly, and as parents, we so often want a formula to follow that will guarantee that the child who is (according to the world and CM!) born a blank slate, or inclined toward good, will work out all right if we can just tick the boxes and follow all the instructions.

        Less comfortably, the Bible tells us that we are born sinners, with a bias toward evil, and it is only the grace of God that can redeem us.

        Thanks for wading in and sharing your thoughts. As a homeschooler, I’m standing against the flow of mainstream education, but sometimes that seems as nothing compared to standing against the non-school crowd in my thoughts on CM, who is a bit of a demigod in the homeschool world.


        • Joanne Louw
          Jan 27, 2016 @ 19:22:10

          I have just discovered this blog and am so relieved! I have been looking for info on links to cult like status of Charlotte Mason and possible cult like links in her schooling methods. I am a christian and have read this all in the light of original sin, salvation by Jesus, through God’s grace, and that children aren’t “born good” as C.M purports, but born sinners and needing the redeeming grace of God to save them. Thank you for the helpfulness of many of the posts.


          • Beyond Bluestockings
            Jan 28, 2016 @ 19:35:25

            Hi Joanne, I’m glad you found your way here, and that there was something helpful. It’s hard to understand how it has come to be that in order to follow a Charlotte Mason approach to education, there is a pressure to be a purist with regards her methods and philosophy. She had some good ideas about education, and some bad ones! Her understanding of Christianity seems flawed on several points, not the least of which the issue of our inherited sinful nature, as you mention. It doesn’t make everything she says about education wrong, but it does mean that it behoves us to carefully examine the theories she propounds based on false doctrine.

            Thanks for taking the time to share you thoughts here 🙂


  8. motherathome
    Feb 13, 2008 @ 07:33:30

    Oh thank you for your response and actually reading the pdf! Truly I cannot thank you enough for just responding. This endeavor has come out from personal revelation after reading some of CM’s books to use this method myself. If you want to really study what is wrong with her method you can also research at this link

    The more a Mom looks for outside sources to support her lack of time to understand and apply these places will be more likely where her resources will come from
    like Ambleside school. Since CM really intended her method as school education the influence from support outside the home is going to be less maternal oriented, as it appears from a homeschool perspective, and more theory, philosophy focused. You should read this now from someone supporting CM
    Charlotte Mason: An Introductory Analysis of Her Educational Theories and Practices by J. Carroll Smith

    Susan Schaeffer Macauleys father Francis Schaeffer has a video on youtube that describes universals and particulars that J. Carroll Smith says CM used to develop her philosophy.

    Again thank you.


  9. anitz
    Mar 23, 2008 @ 01:18:40

    Ladies, you have my attention… Certain elements from CM are being implimented here, but we do public school so we restirct CM to her philosophy about “real books” instead of Twaddle or watered down… but I am quite taken with Francis Schaeffer and will make time to see the video… and read your links…

    Now off to attend to the masses…

    Greetings from Germany,



  10. Nancy
    Jul 07, 2008 @ 23:15:05

    PLEASE read this beautiful, thoughtful and true response to Ms. Natal’s article:



  11. beyondbluestockings
    Jul 09, 2008 @ 21:26:41

    Nancy, thanks for your comment. I have read the article in your link, and remark with interest the mention of Charlotte Mason worship, by an author of a comment on the article.

    This is something that puzzles me within the Christian homeschool community. I have several times come across people who are so passionate to follow the philosophy of this woman who;

    a) had no children herself,

    b) was rather young and untried to be making so great an impact on educational practices,

    c) was a proponent of Darwinism.

    To decide that the Bible cannot be taken literally, that it is errant, that creation was not, as the account in Genesis claims, a six day process, and that there was no ONE original man, makes a mockery of the work of Christ, and Christianity no salvation at all.

    Romans 5:18,19
    Therefore as by the offence of ONE judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by ONE man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    If we evolved, there is no sense to be gained from the glorious truth above. If there was no ONE man, from whom all inherit sin and death, then the scripture cannot promise, through the righteousness of ONE (Christ, the sinless sacrifice), to make all righteous.

    While I am not saying that Charlotte Mason had nothing worth while to add to educational practices, it would be with extreme caution that I would listen to her ideas on child training.

    From a Biblical perspective, it is the position of the “older women” to teach the younger women how to love their husbands and children, rather than the reverse, which would be the case, when elevating Mason to the status she enjoys today. It would also be, surely, a grave thing to place too much weight in the words of someone who was so easily swayed by modern thought (of her time). The theory of evolution was “the wisdom of men”, which the Bible calls foolishness. Mason relinquished her faith in God as Creator, and the Bible as inerrant, to fall into line with the “thinkers” of her day.

    While the article you have linked to is very emotive, if I were to present to you today as a model of home education practices; someone who was young, trained by worldly educators, believed in evolution, and taught in institutional school systems…I am sure you would look at me askance. Yet somehow she has gained an almost cult following.

    Again, it is not to say that I disagree with everything she has to say; I believe in great books for children, rather than mind candy; I think nature study is part of an ideal childhood, (although I fail to see it as a virtue, as some homeschoolers have elevated it to); and I think narration is a skill that will prove profitable for life. However, it remains a concern to me that CM followers appear just that: a follower of the person, rather than simply making an educational tool part of their overall approach to child training.


  12. homeforjoy
    Jul 10, 2008 @ 12:07:51

    All concerned Ladies,
    The Good and Evil Nature of a Child

    Charlotte Mason said,

    As for moral lessons, they are worse than useless; children want a great deal of fine and various moral feeding, from which they draw the ‘lessons’ they require. It is a wonderful thing that every child, even the rudest, is endowed with Love and is able for all its manifestations, kindness, benevolence, generosity, gratitude, pity, sympathy, loyalty, humility, gladness; we older persons are amazed at the lavish display of any one of these to which the most ignorant child may treat us. But these aptitudes are so much coin of the realm with which a child is provided that he may be able to pay his way through life; and, alas, we are aware of certain vulgar commonplace tendencies in ourselves which make us walk delicately and trust, not to our own teaching, but to the best that we have in art and literature and above all to that storehouse of example and precept, the Bible, to enable us to touch these delicate spirits to fine issues. Vol.6 pg.59

    My thoughts; it sounds like she is playing with the ideas of

    Proverbs 3:5

    Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and

    lean not to your own understanding,

    acknowledge the Lord in all of your

    ways and He will make your path straight.

    Now what bothers me about what she says is that she elludes to the scripture allowing you to fill in the blanks in your mind reminding you /me with some words of the scripture BUT she is NOT saying what the scripture says at all. So what does she say to trust…..?

    Well, Art and Literature of course, then on a side note the ”storehouse of example and precept,” the bible. She has just added more reading to her list for examples but that is so different from knowing the Lord and the work of the Holy Spirit.

    I would pass her work for what it is which is confused ramblings. For in a multitude of dreams and many words there are also diverse vanities: but fear thou God. (Eccl. 5:7) But she insists upon bringing scripture into her teachings and then working it out through her understanding. This is troubling.

    My Conviction

    The Glory Of Christ

    John Owen

    Some talk much of imitating Christ and following his example. But no man will ever become ‘like him’ by trying to imitate his behaviour and life IF THEY KNOW NOTHING OF THE TRANSFORMING POWER OF BEHOLDING HIS GLORY. pg.21

    Education Philosophy vol.6 Again CM speaking here;

    It is a wonderful thing that every child, even the rudest, is endowed with Love and is able for all its manifestations, kindness, benevolence, generosity, gratitude, pity, sympathy, loyalty, humility, gladness; we older persons are amazed at the lavish display of any one of these to which the most ignorant child may treat us.

    THE RACE IS ADVANCING …..either we are waking up to what is in them, or the children are indeed advancing in the van of the times, holding in light grasp the gains of the past, the possibilities of the future. It is the age of child-worship; and very lovely are the well brought up children of Christian and cultured parents. Vol. 2 pg. 75

    If this is not a direct attack on Gods word it is at the least an insult and mocking of God’s word by implying children are little gods. I do not get the impression she was meaning affection for children but a way of seeing children able to save the human race, they would deliver the human race out of the threatening way of thinking in her day. This of course would be acheived through her vision, her lifes work developing her educational method. I have read it to be referred to as the Education Gospel, go to this link then scroll to number 40 entitled a Few Recollections.

    I believe CM perpetuates a false hope.

    Consider this,

    Sinfulness of Sin

    Ralph Venning

    ……as God is Holy, all Holy, only Holy, altogether Holy and always Holy so sin is sinful, all sinful, only sinful, altogether sinful, and always sinful. (Gen. 6:5) In my flesh, that is, in my sinful corrupt nature, there dwelleth no good thing (Romans 7:18). As in God there is no evil, so in sin there is no good. God is the chiefest of goods and sin is the chiefest of evils. As no good can be compared with God for goodness so no evil can be compared with sin for evil. pg.31

    Men judge our inside by our outside, our heart by our work; but God judges our outside by our inside, our works by our heart.(eccl.12:14)pg. 230

    …….know this, that of yourself you are not sufficient to think one good thought, nor to subdue one evil thought….pg 231

    Or my favorite;

    The Glory Of Christ

    John Owen

    Who can measure the distance between that which is infinite and that which is finite? It cannot be done. So, the infinite, essential greatness of the nature of God, with His infinite distance from the nature of all creatures, means that God has to humble himself to take notice of things infinitely below him.

    God is so infinitely high and lofty, so inhabits eternity in his own eternal being, that it is an act of mere grace in him to take notice of things infinitely below him. Therefore he does it in a special way. He does it by taking special notice of those whom the world despises, ‘the humble and the contrite ones’. (Isaiah 57:15)

    God is infinitely self-sufficient both in himself and all he does. Man is continually seeking for self-satisfaction. But no creature can find eternal blessedness or satisfaction in itself, for no creature is self-sufficient. pg 40

    Posted in Charlotte Mason, christian education, homeschool.

    My personal reflections;


  13. homeforjoy
    Jul 10, 2008 @ 12:26:07

    Children are a public trust HOME EDUCATION she says….

    Now, that work is of the most importance to society is the bringing up and instruction of the children-in the school, certainly, but far more in the home, because it is more than anything else the home influences brought to bear upon the child that determine the character and career of the future man or woman….. 1 her volume one Home Education

    continuing on page 2 she says;

    a parent is not free to say, “I may do as I will with mine own.” (Wow did it take a village then too?) The children are in truth, to be regarded less as personal property than as public trusts put into the hands of parents that they may make the very most of them for the good of society. And this responsibility is not equally divided between the parents: it is upon the mothers of the present that the future of the world depends, in even a greater degree than upon the fathers, because it is the mothers who have the sole direction of the children’s most impressable years…..

    The above section is similar to Rousseau’s position in CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF POLAND except he advocated no fathers influence where CM states only mothers should be involved in the education of the child. Read this view that clarifies what is wrong with parents divided.

    Woe to the, oh land when thy king is a child and thy princes eat in the morning. Eccl. 10:16

    And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them. And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbor: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable. Isaiah 3:4-5

    Top of page 3 she continues,

    …but Mothers should have something more than hearsay acquiantance with the theory of education, and with those conditions of the childs nature upon which such theories rest.

    So her recommendation….the word of God right? Ummmm no. Actually in this case that wouldn’t be enough but it seems this fella, Herbert Spencer, in her eyes had it figured out. After spending time reading CM you get the sense that scripture references really just validate her and she uses them for that purpose. And to further this conviction for me when her comment ”acquaintance with educational theories” is later followed with an endorsement of another educationalist well you decide;

    vol.1 pg.3 CM says,

    Some acquaintance with the first principles of the physiology and the elementary truths of psychology is indespensible for the right bringing up of children. Really….I thought it is the word of God.

    Herbert Spencer she quotes in her book so she must believe this…here it is pg.4

    ….Here are the indisputable facts: that the developoment of children in mind and body follows certain laws; that unless these laws in some degree are conformed to by parents, death is inevitable; that unless they are in great degree conformed to, there must result serious physical and mental defects; and that only when they are completely conformed to, can a perfect maturity be reached.

    Now after one very short paragraph at the beginning of this chapter she upholds the parent and in particular the Mother as wonderful then she proceeds to critique everything a mother is, even today. And to finish it off says that your child really is not yours and if you cannot follow these laws and become fluent in theories of educational theories specifically her preapprovred theories then it seems what this guy says will happen is what will happen to your children …”death, serious physical and mental defects or if full conformity on the part of the parent PERFECT MATURITY.”

    Now, for christian mothers she bases her whole inductive reasoning from a false understanding or shall I say from a wrong understanding. No christian Mother believes her child is born as a blank slate. Her writings indicate that if you are neither good nor bad well aren’t you blank even if she says she does not believe this she teaches as if it were so and further judges parents as pressuming the same but condemning it when a parent does. But you cannot believe the blank slate theory and read your bible with understanding. The Holy Spirit will quickly reveal to you the deceitfulness of that thinking. For me this is very telling of her heart she was an educationalist FIRST and all her philosophy of God and the bible filtered through her understanding not scripture. She used scripture to validate her reason, like oh look God agrees with me. It really looks that way to me.



  14. beyondbluestockings
    Jul 10, 2008 @ 12:56:42

    Homeforjoy, I appreciate the sentiments of your post “home education and children: a public trust”. I believe this to be quite telling with regard to CM’s underlying beliefs about the validity of the Bible.

    This woman seems truly “wise in her own eyes”, and “prudent in her own sight”, ignoring the biblical directive for FATHERS to teach the children, (not the state, for the good of society) and choosing the wisdom of man over the light of the Word.

    It comes,I suppose, down to your basic philosophy about life, and why we are here. I believe we are created in His image, and live for His glory. CM believed we evolved, and exist for the betterment of society. It’s hard to get further from a Christian world view, isn’t it?


  15. homeforjoy
    Jul 10, 2008 @ 13:18:13

    My comparison of Charlotte Mason and Spurgeon from my own experience of round table discussion of CM teaching with other Moms who were trying to apply her methods.


  16. beyondbluestockings
    Jul 15, 2008 @ 21:38:12

    Thanks for the link, homeforjoy. It puts it in a sobering light when you contrast CM and Spurgeon, knowing they lived at the same time. I suppose it matters only if you believe that a Creationist world view is essential to your faith. It is sadly ironic in one who placed such emphasis on the study of nature, to deny the hand of the Master Creator, and in one who placed such emphasis on living books, to deny the inerrancy of the single greatest Living Book ever written.


  17. Tanya
    Oct 03, 2008 @ 06:16:10

    We are having a discussion this week on education on our site and I’d like to invite you to join. Hope to see you there!


  18. Andrea
    Oct 13, 2008 @ 21:39:08

    Beyond Blue, I have a question for you!

    (How poetic 8O!)

    What is your take on human rights and the church?

    Looking forward to reading your thoughts and those of your readers!



  19. Andrea
    Oct 13, 2008 @ 21:39:48

    Why is the 😯 not working?

    🙂 did that work??? *smile* *shock*


  20. beyondbluestockings
    Oct 13, 2008 @ 22:44:07

    Andrea, I will be pleased to give it some serious thought. Just now, all my thoughts are of sleepy time, but I’ll be back 🙂


  21. snoopnolz
    Nov 08, 2008 @ 06:46:21

    The Glory of Christ! This book is sooo good, it’s on my book shelf.

    Thanks for your comments on my blog and after checking yours out, we serve the same King! PTL!

    Great to meet another sister in Christ 🙂



  22. beyondbluestockings
    Nov 08, 2008 @ 08:13:55


    I really enjoyed viewing your photos, and it’s a greater joy again to find you love and serve God with me 🙂

    Thanks for coming by.


  23. Anonymous
    Nov 19, 2008 @ 12:58:19

    Do you believe in absolute forgiveness no matter what


  24. beyondbluestockings
    Nov 19, 2008 @ 17:16:11

    Anonymous, you’ve presented a very open question. To answer with surety, I would need to qualify what you mean by “forgiveness no matter what”.

    I do believe that if you have been the very vilest of sinners, or have committed atrocious crimes against humanity, or even if you have simply lived a ‘good life’ but have not yet submitted your will to God and acknowledged him as creator and Lord, that if you repent of your sin (hate it and want to be free from it) and believe that Jesus took God’s wrath and judgment in your place, then He (God) is faithful and just to forgive us our sin. Any sin, no matter how bad.

    I’m not sure if that answers your question, as you could be talking about sin committed as a Christian, or you could be asking about forgiveness from family and friends, rather than from God. If I haven’t answered, and you can be more specific about your question, I will do my best to answer.


  25. fionad
    Nov 23, 2008 @ 23:35:15

    I just stumbled upon your blog – Cherry Ripe Mud Cake caught my eye!! 🙂

    I’ll be back to read more when I have time.



  26. beyondbluestockings
    Nov 24, 2008 @ 00:02:46

    I’ll look forward to your visit Fiona. Cherry Ripe Mud Cake is certainly a treat I heartily endorse, and can now say with authority that the uncooked cake mix is every bit as delectable as the final product!


  27. Joel
    Nov 26, 2008 @ 10:55:44

    LOL bb! I too am a fan of crm cake, but why bother putting those cherry ripe bars & chocolate in a mix! Scoff ’em I say! 😉


  28. beyondbluestockings
    Nov 26, 2008 @ 13:49:53

    Joel, lovely to see you here.

    I (ahem!) don’t consider it to be an either/or situation…

    My thoughtful husband purchased the ingredients, and allowed for considerable extra-bakery snacking activity.


  29. Ang
    Dec 02, 2008 @ 19:43:12

    I came across this site and I came across another site today too.And somehow they are strangely relevant to each other ….(in view of your opening question at the top of this page .So here it is

    Love to read your thoughts .


  30. beyondbluestockings
    Dec 02, 2008 @ 21:29:14

    Thanks for sharing the link Ang, and for inviting comment on the article.

    I have read before that Calvin had ordered the execution of a heretic. Not a pretty thing. But a few things about the article occurred to me while reading, in no particular order;

    Moses was a murderer, and clearly, his problem with anger was something he didn’t get over in a hurry. He was disallowed entry to the Promise land because he struck the rock with his staff (in anger) in stead of speaking to it as God commanded. Yet he was chosen to record the history of God’s people, and his words are now scripture!

    Peter, another of the Bible ‘greats’ denied Christ – three times, publicly (not to mention cut off some fellows ear with a sword). This is the kind of material God chose to build His church with.

    Do I think Calvin did right? I’d certainly hope for more mercy under the same circumstances. But does that invalidate his teaching? Where he’s right, I don’t think so. (that was a nice, general answer, eh? 😉 )

    The author of the article attempts to refute his teachings with a few scriptures here and there. And if it was the first article I had read addressing the issue, chances are I would be nodding my head and murmuring my agreement. But I have been searching the issue for a long time now, and am past being a disciple of the last person I read 🙂

    There is a powerful amount of scripture that can be used on both sides of the divide. Take two learned men and listen to a discussion, and your head will spin. What the article presented in argument to Calvin’s teachings was very simplistic, and really didn’t scratch the surface of the issue.

    Personally, I don’t allow it to be an issue that causes contention among those of my acquaintance who think differently to me (I am still leaning more heavily toward Calvinism and a reformed system of belief, although have not embraced all of the teachings).

    However, one thing that does, over and over and over make me think very hard about what I have read of predestination and election, is that people who truly believe that doctrine continue to preach the unadulterated gospel. Almost without exception, those who believe that man can choose God of his own free will, have turned to pragmatism and an easy, soft, less offensive gospel.

    So in 10 years, in 20 years, or, should the Lord tarry, in 100 years, those of the inclination toward Calvinism will still be preaching the gospel of “repent and believe”. I can’t even imagine what the emergents and seeker friendly churches will be selling in 20 years time, but I’d almost bet my boots it won’t be the gospel as Paul preached – Christ and Him crucified. (the “repent and believe” version, not the new, “He died to be your buddy” version.)

    I think some people make an idol of Calvin, some make an idol of his doctrines. This is obviously not new, as Paul admonished believers for saying, “I am of Paul, I am of Christ” etc. There can be a lot of pride attached to the ‘labeling’ we love so much.

    My point in this great big ramble? We should evaluate each and every point in light of several passages of scripture. We should NOT accept something simply because Calvin taught it, but likewise, we should not discard something simply because Calvin taught it.


  31. alfaarooq1
    Dec 04, 2008 @ 19:40:03

    Lost wisdom? One never gets to loose wisdom you loose yourself in a world when you look in the wrong directions…
    Faith is more then what you think it is, Debating on religion leads to pleasing the Devil because somehow one can get hurt and this creates anger and hate that same hate and anger is a flame from Satan…
    Take the Scripture as it is and “not” how another wants to see it…


  32. beyondbluestockings
    Dec 04, 2008 @ 21:00:01

    Dear Alraarooq1,

    Should your interest extend that far, may I invite you to read a post I have written titled, “What’s in a Name”? It explains my desire to overcome a feminist education, to learn to love and obey my husband, and to teach younger women to do the same.

    The “lost wisdom” my title refers to is the art of mothering, of home making, of joyful submission to and reverencing of the head of the home, and ultimately, obedience to God.

    On the issue of debating scripture, I agree that it can be a temptation at times to become embroiled in fruitless arguments. This generally has it’s roots in pride, and yes, is certainly a tool for the devil.

    However, I believe that a close examination of scripture, and that in the company of friends, can only strengthen me in my desire to do the will of God.

    I also believe in standing firm and declaring the truth when the wolves are clearly teaching heresy to the flock.

    Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 1:3

    Alfaarooq1, thank you for taking the time to share you thoughts here.


  33. Coram Deo
    Dec 06, 2008 @ 14:17:44

    Just a “heads up” on alfaarooq1, BB; he’s more than a tad unfriendly when confronted with the Eternal Gospel of Grace.

    In fact he recently condemned me to his false religion’s non-existent place of torment for blaspheming his non-existent false god because I proclaimed the deity of Jesus Christ, the infinite I AM who was, and is, and is to come.

    But other than that he seems to be quite a congenial sort of fellow. 🙂

    In Christ,


  34. beyondbluestockings
    Dec 06, 2008 @ 18:57:01

    Hmmm, thanks CD. I wondered what had brought Mr alfaarooq1 calling. Perhaps my introduction makes me sound like I am unsure of my faith and a candidate for Islam?

    It’s not the case. In fact, I’m betting my eternal soul on it 😉

    I have in recent years been led to question much that I’ve been taught, but the deity of Christ was never in doubt.

    I did notice a post or two (!) by Mr Alfaarooq1 over at DefCon on my last visit, and you all seemed to take it in your stride.

    Congenial was not quite the word that came to mind…

    Thanks for coming by,


  35. Marianne Lordi
    Dec 28, 2008 @ 04:23:13

    You sound great! God is surely working through you.
    Keep the thoughts coming.


  36. beyondbluestockings
    Jan 03, 2009 @ 21:03:41

    Hello Marianne 🙂

    Thanks for your comment. I am recently arrived home from a sojourn in the country (internet free – it took me days to overcome the shakes, lol!) and after catching up with business, I’ll be over to visit your site.


  37. danmihalache
    Jan 26, 2009 @ 06:13:39

    I placed you to my favourite wordpress sites, do you mind?
    See you, Dan.


  38. beyondbluestockings
    Jan 26, 2009 @ 09:04:38

    Thanks for visiting, Dan. : )


  39. smiley77
    Mar 20, 2009 @ 19:38:11

    Hi wonderful christian woman,
    You don’t know the delight you brought to my heart tonight here in australia when I read your encouraging comment about my new blog.It’s so frustrating when you see blogs like yours so filled with info, friends,etc & I look at my puny one & think,’how do I reach people out there?” but you gave me hope (sorry about the spelling errors in the email I sent your daughter)and now I shall prod on & write what the kind Lord teaches me everyday,hoping it will help others in their daily walk,struggles and trials & victories!! what do you think?
    I hope this is the beginning of a wonderful relationship dear sister,& if we don’t meet here on this blessed earth then we shall surely meet in the glorious Heaven!

    Til then keep smiling



  40. Beyond Bluestockings
    Mar 21, 2009 @ 19:59:59

    Dear Smiley77,

    I think you will do fine when you find your feet with the computer. 🙂

    There are still many areas where I need help to work out how to do something new, but you learn with practice, and there is always the forum if you need to ask questions. (You can ask me and I will help if I can, of course, but it may be like the blind leading the blind 😉 )

    As you visit other sites and leave comments, you will find people with similar interests to yours, and you will become a part of the blogging community. It takes a little time, just like relationships you would make anywhere else. And just like those relationships you make other places, they can be very rewarding.

    With your desire to be an encouragement to others, I think it will be no time at all before the current frustration you are experiencing is a thing of the past, and you are enjoying the benefits of the blog world!

    most kindly,
    Beyond Bluestockings


  41. Thankyou, Internet! « Obscurities of the mind
    Mar 22, 2009 @ 20:32:49

  42. Ruby
    Apr 13, 2009 @ 19:26:23

    I have spent quite a while looking over your blog this afternoon. You have a lot of interesting posts and some interesting readers as well.
    I am a “calvinistic” (prefer bible believing) christian. I would love to hear more about your church situation. Also wondering who your “teacher” is on the baptism questions? Reformed circles in Australia can be fairly small let alone in Queensland! This may be stuff not really for your blog but if you’d like to email that would be good.
    It is true we sometimes can loose sight of the main objective, to glorify God, and get caught up with nit picking both in the church and now on the net. I’ve posted a few times on this sort of thing. Here are some thoughts I had about high mindedness.
    Blessings to you and your family.
    I look forward to reading here.


  43. Beyond Bluestockings
    Apr 13, 2009 @ 22:36:15

    Ruby I am honoured that you would spend your afternoon here browsing. After reading your post and wandering about your site, it would seem we have quite a few ideas in common.

    I am happy to email you with details of our church situation – though I warn you it is a funny one!

    Thanks for your visit : )


    • Ruby
      Sep 01, 2010 @ 13:55:34

      It seems I read this eighteen months ago:-) Obviously I was more interested in the Arminianism/ Calvinism question when I came before and pretty much missed the CM conversations. Very interested in what is being said here and will read some of those links (when I get a spare half hour!) How can I read the original pdf file in motherathome’s comment?
      by Aimee Natal


      • Beyond Bluestockings
        Sep 01, 2010 @ 15:41:50

        Hello Ruby! 😀

        It does take a while to wade through the CM discussion, but… I think it’s worth it if following her directives is an avenue you have considered. While I don’t dismiss everything she says on every subject, I consider that to accept her theories on child raising as being “Christian” is erroneous.

        Here is a link to a page with the original pdf


        • Ruby
          Sep 01, 2010 @ 19:15:43

          Thanks BB…very interesting reading. Not many up here are into Charlotte Mason but I have become more aware of her since I joined the Aussie Home Schoolers site. While I think we apply our own philosphies to our children when we teach them at home, I do find it alarming that CM has some basic anti biblical foundations. Will read more over there as time permits and keep these thoughts in mind as I read CM sites.


          • Beyond Bluestockings
            Sep 03, 2010 @ 16:06:43

            Glad the article has been helpful, Ruby. It’s confusing when so many Christian educators hold her in such high esteem, but.. school isn’t the only place you find peer pressure. 🙂


  44. wbr1980
    Apr 15, 2009 @ 06:36:27

    Hello, B.B.!
    Thought after having a “comment conversation” I’d check out your site… and wow! I’m adding you to my “favorites” list! 🙂
    I realize I have a lot to learn concerning homeschooling, and I’m glad I found someone who shares the same faith as I do to ask questions of.
    Isn’t the “blogosphere” a great thing???


  45. Beyond Bluestockings
    Apr 15, 2009 @ 11:11:19

    Hi Whitney,

    I’m glad you’ve found the site helpful, and I’ll do my best to share anything I have learned with you, or point you in the direction of someone who can answer if your questions are beyond my experience.

    The blogosphere is such a great resource! I have learned heaps, and it’s certainly helped me to find people who are interested in the same things. There are also many free resources made available by generous hearted souls who are willing to share their labours with others, and some great review sites to help you know which of the thousands of available programs are worth spending your money on.

    Thanks for your visit 🙂


  46. haplesshousewife
    Jul 01, 2009 @ 18:31:21

    Hi BB. Since you’ve been so kind as to drop by my blog on more than one occasion now and been very generous both with your comments and your advice (re commenting) I wanted to place my thanks to you here. Best wishes.


  47. Beyond Bluestockings
    Jul 01, 2009 @ 22:48:14

    Hello dear Moth Lady,

    You’re welcome! Of course, I enjoy your blog not merely for the occasional dry wit, but because I don’t feel nerdy about my propensity for photographing insects when I am visiting you.

    Thanks for taking the time to comment here 🙂


  48. Cole
    Sep 02, 2009 @ 07:58:35

    Just out of curiosity – what does “Beyond Bluestockings” stand for? Maybe I could Google the answer, but I’d rather hear it from you!


  49. Beyond Bluestockings
    Sep 02, 2009 @ 09:49:23

    Cole, that’s easy 😀

    Thanks for your visit!


  50. Enduring Prize
    Sep 04, 2009 @ 17:44:26

    Dear Beyond Blue Stockings,

    I love your passion and conviction. I love your ability to think. I love the chicks.

    I love the comment, “I’ve gone beyond being a disciple of the last person I read.”

    I can’t see a post on the Emerging Church -have you done one yet?

    I’ll be back for another look soon.

    Smiles to you


  51. Beyond Bluestockings
    Sep 06, 2009 @ 21:42:55

    Enduring Prize, thanks for your kind words. I haven’t tackled the emergent church in a specific post, though you may find sufficient in my occasional outbreaks on other posts to be assured I am not a fan 😉

    Thanks for coming to visit, and feel free to join any of the conversations if something takes your fancy. 🙂


  52. Yousei Hime
    Nov 24, 2009 @ 05:15:21

    I followed you over from a post on Blissbait’s blog. What a beautiful blog you have. I look forward to returning and reading more. Yummy post recently!! I have another blog you might be interested in ( I review books, movies and games for kids. I’d welcome any suggestions you have for it or Shiteki Na Usagi. Thanks for your lovely blog.


  53. Beyond Bluestockings
    Nov 24, 2009 @ 06:32:45

    Yousei Hime, the poet dancer!

    Thanks for taking the time to come and introduce yourself 🙂

    Book reviews… yes, please! I’ll be over to visit 😀


  54. Yousei Hime
    Nov 24, 2009 @ 06:55:19

    Warning. It is still a relatively new blog, and I only post once a week. I do hope you like it.


  55. Beyond Bluestockings
    Nov 24, 2009 @ 07:01:11


    Yes, I have found you, read your posts, agree wholeheartedly with your entertainment philosophy and appreciate that reviewing of any useful variety takes a lot more effort than the “whipping up a bit of social fluff” type post.

    If you could post that calibre of review more than once a week and still hold a job and raise a family and maintain your other blog, I’d think you were too scary; or had too much time on your hands. 😉

    Enjoy, I did! 🙂


  56. 47whitebuffalo
    Dec 21, 2009 @ 02:28:45

    LOL–well, at least we share a thirst for truth and sharing.
    shanti om


  57. Beyond Bluestockings
    Dec 22, 2009 @ 19:20:50

    Hello there, Eva!

    Truth seeking, and sharing…yes, things we have in common 😀

    Thanks for gracing my page.


  58. Laura Jane Coats
    Mar 31, 2011 @ 06:47:13

    Dear Beyond Bluestockings,
    I was searching for something else when I came across your mention of my book,
    “The Almond Orchard.” I recently visited the orchard with my mother in February, when the trees were blossoming and the bees buzzing. It is timeless, as beautiful as ever, just as when my grandmother was a little girl. The book, I am sorry to say, is currently out of print, and I have only a few copies remaining. I hope to have a new edition published, but meanwhile, if you are interested in reading more about the unique little paradise in California’s central valley where our family almond orchard grows (on the north slope of the world’s smallest mountain range) I have another book, “The Sutter Buttes – A Peaceful Sanctuary,” which is not out of print. It gives a nice overview with photographs, poetry, local history, and geography, and is available to anyone who wishes to contact me.
    Thank you for your lovely review of “The Almond Orchard.”
    Laura Jane Coats
    “The Sutter Buttes – A Peaceful Sanctuary”


  59. Beyond Bluestockings
    Mar 31, 2011 @ 13:35:13

    Dear Ms Laura Jane,

    What a commotion it caused to announce this morning that the author of “The Almond Orchard”, had come to visit here!

    Your book is still a favourite with the little girls of our house. Apart from the very delicious idea of having a family farm (we live quite in the middle of a large city), the illustrations are at once both clear and endearing, and your story is true.

    It is an unexpected pleasure to be able to offer my thanks to you for the joy our family has shared while reading your story. I would be pleased to learn more about your new book, and hope that you have success with the reprinting of “The Almond Orchard”.

    Beyond Bluestockings.


  60. WildBlack
    Oct 03, 2011 @ 06:29:45

    WoW! What a neat theme! Perfect 🙂


  61. Beyond Bluestockings
    Oct 03, 2011 @ 23:53:26

    Hey!! Nivin 😀

    Fancy finding you here. Thanks for saying hello. I am all apologies for my web silence of late, but please know it is a general neglect! There is lots on for us present so my time on the computer is limited, though I enjoy seeing your winks show up in my reader – its always a visual treat!


  62. Anonymous
    Dec 04, 2012 @ 04:45:43

    The book was great!!!!!!!!!$


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